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    @bigmac69

    @sutekh137 Referring to your long post above these were exactly my thoughts and I stopped playing Epic. I just uninstalled Epic and freed about 400 MB of space on my phone. Before this update I was really short of M61 for all my birds and I am not willing to do all this grinding for birds and gear again. Rovio will never stop increasing ranks, mastery etc. The new caves are next to unbeatable for me with only two birds because I do not play with FB. It is a shame to leave the game because I played almost since the start and I like(d) it a lot. But this update killed my motivation completely. It is like chasing a rabbit or something else you will never be able to catch.

    Good luck to all other players! Your advise in this forum was always appreciated and very helpful! Keep up the good work!

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    I got a L62 Primal Axe which was converted into a L62 Dragons Tooth. Would have been ok for me but I will stop playing.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    @angryde Yep, I have read your previous post and I feel exactly the same. I am too old to spend more of my time on this. Even at my age I really love gaming and I have seen a lot of games, believe me. And hardware of course. It started more than 30 years ago with an old C16 of one of my friends, back when games were stored on tapes. Wait, I even played “Pong” at very young age! 8-bit, 16-bit, you name it. I configured hardware, addressed IRQ´s, learned DOS 5.0, 6.0 and 6.22, installed WIN 3.0 and 3.11 and so on. I have seen it and I know pretty well, what is happening on these machines.

    It continued on my first “job” (army) with the old “Ports of Call” back in 1989 on a pc equipped with a green screen. The only colour of the monitor… Yes, I can say I have seen a lot of stuff/games, I know the classics. Larry, Guybrush, Day of the Tentacle and many more. The very first Gameboy was brilliant, I must have been one of the first owners in Germany and I played Tetris for ages, I got bored when I reached 450000 points. The first Super Mario stopped counting at 999.999, it did not go past that score:-)

    Nobody is too old to play games, keeps our minds active:-) But Epic has come to an end for me. I even stopped playing the original AB. and I was good at AB GO! too. Before the changes… Let Epic join the list of my classics and let´s move on!

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    Once again really short of ALL my classes reaching M61 and having replaced the old gear with their stroger versions there comes the next level cap and mastery increase from Rovio. It happenend to me when all my birds were short of M12 and Rovio changed it to M15. That was the first time I considered quiting but I coninued. Not this time….

    The new cave(s) are next to unplayable with only two birds (no FB), I only tried 18-1 and failed. We are forced by Rovio to use potions and spend resources. I will quit playing epic and free some space on my phone for other, more interesting and challenging games.

    Time to rescue the galaxy, hunt down some zombies, race through the streets or whatever. I will not continue grinding for mastery, snouts or better gear. Because for what!? Rovio will definitely do it again. By changing the old caves grinding got harder and will take more time. Not my precious time. After playing some old levels I have the suspicion that the drop of mastery, snouts and exp has been reduced, but I cannot confirm it. Rovio seems to wait until they are able to see/analyse on their servers, how many players have reached max. level and there they go again, increase by another 10 (?) steps. They can continue forever. No, not for me anymore. I was a player since he start of Epic, now it is time to move on. No epic fun anymore, the birds got me angry.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    Go for cave 17-9 to gain mastery! Right now seems to be heavily nerfed, too. I accidentally entered the level instead of trying the 17-10 boss nerf to gain some snouts. The pigs in 17-9 are level 61 but of ridiculously low health. Until now I have encountered pigs as weak as 68 hp, the “strongest” ones had only 700 hp. I am earning somewhere between 160 and 220 mastery points per run. Use any multi-hitting class of Chuck/Blues and any other bird and you are done. You don´t even need the second bird because Chuck will wipe out all the waves instantly. So this level can be played very quickly. Doing this I easily pushed some of my classes to 60 or even 61.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    @smwforever45
    Ok, got it, never played these levels to grind for mastery. I got approx. the same amount of mastery playing 11-4 but with the pigs being stronger of course. Right now I think I will stick to 1-5 to grind some mastery using only wo birds.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    I noticed that the mastery drop in the caves is higher than before. My M59 Samurai needed 6998 points to reach M60. After playing cave 1-5 once he needs 6798 to level up, so the pigs dropped 200 mastery. Playing the same cave with M59 Spies showed the same outcome. 6604 away from M60 before, 6389 after, meaning an even higher output. Before the update the mastery drop was significantly lower, approx. 70 points per battle. This would mean an increase of almost 200%, if this could be confirmed by doing more battles.

    I have not checked other cave levels yet. Playing the cave levels with only two birds got harder but can be done again after Rovios latest adjustments.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    Everything mentioned above happened to me after the update, too. Immediately after the update I checked some of my birds stats and saw that they were weaker than before. Over the last weeks I was grinding cave levels to gain mastery so I knew the numbers. I was able to bring three birds to M15 and after playing them at M60 after the update they changed to M61 with the known “effect”.

    I entered cave level 1-5 to do some grinding and saw pigs at lvl 60, almost four times more health than before. Unable to use autoplay or something else, I was crushed. I checked some final bosses from the caves and I always see them with health higher than 104.000 points! That is ridiculous. No chance to beat them, they deliver a big punch, too. Before that I could easily grind with only two birds. So right now no chance to do some grinding.

    The same applies to the daily dungeons, level 60 pigs, really unplayable.

    Because I do not play arena seriously I cannot tell really much about bugs and other issues. Best league I reached was Silver. But this morning I did my free spin at the AGPM and won a strong red pumpkin with jewels (in German Juwelenbesetzter Kürbis) on it! Isn`t this supposed to be an item for higher leagues like Gold or Platinum!? Because the markers at the items have vanished too, I cannot tell you to which league it belongs. Before that I saw a wooden bucket etc., but not any longer. Another bug in the arena!?

    I think this is the worst update ever. With my weak M61 birds (EP, Wizard) it will be no fun playing the upcoming event. Thanks Rovio… Personally I will stop playing Epic until the bugs are (hopefully) fixed. I will not spend any snouts or my saved LC´s.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    From time to time I am encountering really weak pigs in the daily dungeons. You can see this at the difficulty meter before starting the fight, the indicator is completely down to zero. Playing with birds at level 60 the pigs were at level 13 only. I think one time they were as low as level 9. No complaining though as it helps to easily win some snouts, normally one hit with M14 Wizard/M13 Spies per wave and the fight is over. I have also recognized that when the dungeon pigs are in “hard” mode as shown on the meter and I decide not to fight them the next time I enter the same level on that day they can be weak again. It is a nice bug/glitch when fighting the Thursday and Saturday dungeons.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    @smwforever45

    That is almost exactly the strength of my current team! I have seen the teams with a power rating higher than 2000, too. The same applies to my usage of Shards, only one set item for Red is higher than level 5. I have not enchanted one single arena item, so my banner is still really weak. I carefully thought about boosting my preferred items above that level but just before I wanted to do it Rovio released the 1.4.3 update and increased everything again. So luckily I did not spend Shards, LC´s or anything else before! Without using autoplay, spending real money or using LC´s I needed more than two months of grinding and dojo visits just to bring only two birds from M12 to M14. I was only a couple of days short to reach M12 for all my birds before the 1.4.3 update was released. We all know what that meant….

    Enough said, I just won my last podium in this event and will try to catch first place on my leaderboard. Currently second place just 1500 points short of the leader, no need to use my saved stamina drinks. I saved 200 of them and will spend some of them to reach the golden clouds as soon as the gate opens.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    @smwforever45

    I know that my birds are weak compared to a lot of other players. You would laugh about the strength of my arena team. Maybe I should start playing arena more seriously, I never went past Silver League… I am really missing a lot of emblems etc. I was struggling to get the most important sets for quite a long time, too and I still own very few lvl 62 set items. If I get a newer version during 5x RR or due to a free spin I often get duplicates. No kidding, Yin, Yang and Phoenix items seem to like me…. And yes, I am still missing some important set items (never got Steel Wall since the start of Epic!) or the ones that I own are too weak to be of decent use (Rock lvl 41 for example). I got them early in the game and did not get stronger versions up to now. So fingers crossed that we will get our missing and/or better set items soon:-)

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    @smwforever45

    I easily defeat the coach with Elite Paladin (M14 with DB), Wizard (M14 with TL) and Elite Seadog (M12 with Finisher). Use/link Sea Dogs support ability on Red in the previous round and than focus all attacks on the coach. He has no chance to deal any damage. Some other pigs will deliver a hit but this is no problem. I am using the same lineup to defeat the referee pig in the next stage where a fourth bird is allowed in the final battle. My fourth bird are Spies (M13 with Beep). Even with more than 38k+ health he has no chance, too. Link Sea Dog to Red (again in the previous round), focus attacks on the big guy, use the rage chili on Chuck and the referee is history. Up to now I played the battle five times and he did not attack me once.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    @smwforever45

    So Epic just does not seem to like me… A few months ago I was only four classes short of bringing ALL my birds to M12, which we all know was formerly the highest level the birds/classes could reach and then, well, we know what happened… Now another change from Rovio. And I get less offers at the dojo, too! I consider myself lucky if I get more than 4 or 5 offers. It happened to me a couple of times that I did not get a single offer at all or only just 1.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    @smwforever45

    I did not record my numbers as @suzyq or you did but my bars went “down” because of the amount of mastery needed to reach the next level has been increased. For me it is a longer way to go now. My Tricksters were short of M13 and now they are away some 9000+ points again. I saw the same on Wizard, he was approx. 16000 points away from M14, now he is around 20000 away, which is only halfway to M14 I suppose.

    I must say that almost all my classes are in the range of M12 and M13, only Thunderbird has just barely reached M7 and TH hit M10, so I cannot give any numbers or observations regarding lower classes. Maybe there has been a bigger change only to higher classes? Because in my case I can definitely say that every single class that I am slowly leveling up from M12 to M13 needs more mastery after the update.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    I noticed some odd new numbers as well. I have not made exact calculations but I am pretty sure my Elite Paladin suddenly needs 5000 extra mastery points to reach M14! I was down to less than 15000 points needed to reach M14 but now it is around 20000 points necessary again. The numbers for all my other birds changed, too, and every single birds seems to need more points, their bars have gone down. I had some birds I never played since the last update with even numbers (like 4500 or so) left to reach the next level (mostly M13) but now their numbers are odd. This should not be the case because I am buying their mastery only at the dojo. That is why/how I noticed the change.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    @smwforever45 Cave 1-5 seems to be the best the place to go for mastery and snouts at the moment. I must admit I played this level quite often in the past to bring my birds to the next mastery level. You gained more mastery (in average 80+) than playing SRC…

    This level can easily be played with only two birds. I am at level 60 with mostly M12, only very few birds reached M13 yet. Ok, Elite Paladin did, Spies and Wizard as well and I have the most important sets at level 52. I do not spend any real money, only once to get rid of the ads.

    Normally no pig has the chance to attack my birds, they are defeated before they are fully charged. The 100 damage points every two rounds can be ignored. The Wealthy Rogue appears quite often, too, at least in my case. Once I was really lucky and encountered him in three waves during the ten wave battle! My average amount of snouts playing this level is somewhere around 65 snouts and if you are lucky you can win another 10 snouts by spinning the wheel. I do not use FE,s for a respin because it is not worth it. So one run playing this level will give you enough snouts for one offer at the dojo.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    I recognized the same this morning. But I did not receive the “Epic” message and there was no other update or short notice something was changed. I think yesterday SRC dropped the “normal” amount of snouts, now it is down to 5-6 snouts for Wizpig. I remember the 300+ snouts at KPC, it was really nice.

    Am I correct that DPC is “down” as well!? As far as I remember DPC dropped 100+ snouts, too. I just quickly played it and received only very little snouts.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    I just saw something weird… I started the game, the island map appeared and that was it! Nothing more, no buttons, no paths, no flags etc. Just the empty island. I did not show my amount of snouts, LC´s and FE´s, too. Everything gone. I could move the map around but was not able to click on anything. I feared the worst but after clearing the cache and starting the game again everything was back to normal.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    23 players on my board, struggling to reach third place. I am not willing to burn FE or LC´s to catch up. Luckily no cheaters yet! Still six cakes short of Elite Pirate but I will get it. As previously I managed the Golden Clouds easily with Elite Paladin and Wizard (both 60/12 with Dragon Set and TL). I normally need 1-2 to chili cakes in the last stage to beat the Mother of Golden Pigs. I always feed the rage chili to Chuck. The pig will attack, so protect with Red. I only need other potions if the game gets “unfair” meaning that the pigs will stun Red really often so he cannot attack and heal a bird.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    Altough my event gates are all open I was only able to play and complete the next stages with the parcels. Completed only the levels, still 11 parcels to go. But after winning the last 7-stamina battle I cannot enter the last stages necessary to win the 20 birthday cakes and therefore cannot advance to the golden clouds earlier. There is no flag showing there is a next level available. So I think the open gates are just another glitch/bug and it will take another two days before being allowed to play the last stages as supposed before these bugs.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    What the hell is going on!? Referring to my last post they have changed it once again!? Now back to 32,500 points to level up to M13!? I just opened the game again and now my Paladin needs “only” approx. 20,000 points to reach the next level. The game is really getting weird.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    @angryjohnny I got 75 Stamina drinks, too, but without the dreaded update message. Just opened the game and the message appeared in the nest.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    @angryde @smwforever45 Rough calculation: 9000 offers needed at the dojo to level up all 30 birds from M12 to M15 without playing a single level to gain mastery (3×50,000, x30 birds, divided by 500 mastery per offer). And of course some players still have weaker birds than M12. I did, I was just six birds short of M12 before the update… How many offers/visits per day to the dojo!? Well, the dojo opens every three hours. Without spending LC´s or real money how many chances to level up a bird!? Maybe ten or even less per visit depending on personal luck. I usually get less… So, do I really want to do this once again!? Race for M15 just to realise that a future update will change everything again!? We know 60/15 will not be the end… Honestly, I am not willing to spend my precious time in endless grinding again. A visit to Epic here and then, maybe playing for special stuff/equipment but not with the same effort as before.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    I just checked and can confirm the issue @suikyo mentioned! Instead of 32,500 points I now need 50,000 points to upgrade from M12 to M13. I checked my Elite Paladin. Was approx. 22,000 points away from M13 but now it is approx. 38,000 points away from M13. I checked the other classes and it is the same there. Sorry, that´s not funny anymore. I for myself will reduce playing Epic because I am not willing to spend that much time and effort again to bring my birds to M15. Without paying! I spent a little (!) money once, it was ok and got rid of the adds.

    BigMac69
    @bigmac69

    @datguygamer I get your point and understand what you mean. That would explain why I remember the “Spinning Shield”, I see the German translation/version “Wirbelnder Schild”. I think I scrapped these items a long long time ago because they were of no use for me since obtaining set items. It is good to see them back again and even if I will not use them I will keep them just to complete my collection of items. So let´s wait and see what items appear at rank 60. Thank you for your help!

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