Starcream L15 can't kill a WMT. Other issues with the new guys?

[AngrLee]

So I have all three of the new seekers. Two at L10 and Starscream at 15. He ran in a regular node today and it was not possible to take out a walking mortar tower. Period. I dumped every shot he had and took all damage just to see if he could take it out. He made it maybe to 40% if the health bar is reasonably accurate.

@lewie4 or @arceemega Can you have the devs take a look. Seems like his weapon is especially wimpy against WMTs.

One other thing I noticed is that the energonicon strength seems to be directly related to the strength of the TF weilding it. So when Bumblebee is using say Photoblast, it takes 6-7 hits to take out a WMT. With all other TFs, he takes as little as one and usually not more than 3.

Anyway, I am sure with all new TFs, there is some debugging as your devoted players find everything wrong :-) so I wanted to start a thread here with any issues with the new guys in the barracks.

Appreciate any others’ reactions…

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[Rowdypup]

@angrlee I have noticed some peculiar things as well with my recent buddies, for instance:
*Skywarp: He does fire quickly, but his rockets deal little damage when it comes to WMT [like you pointed out], so I end up most of the work
Sunstorm: Even though when he takes damage he loses his health slowly (like one heart), his health is nearly drained when I get back to Astrotrain to recharge my other Transformers
*Starscream: Has a tough time destroying large amounts of blocks in a small amount of time, resulting in me getting a low amount of coins and popped Pigbots during the node debrief
[*=seen as a buddy only, since I don’t have them yet]

These are all just level 1 prototypes, so it’s my behalf for the bad results- but look on the bright side! it’s also a good way to compare the results later to other level 15 Sunstorm, Starscream, and Skywarps that may also have issues, so we can ‘seek’ out the source (Seeker humor, BTW) of the problem and tell Rovio- weird, but it works :)

[Pampeans]

@angrlee @rowdypup this is a good thread. I’ve been wanting to start a thread where we rank/rate the strengths and weaknesses of all the Tfs/accessories/Energonicons. As I mentioned in the feedback thread, some balancing is in order because some of the bots and their accessories are underpowered.

[MillForce2k]

@angrlee Try it again without the damage accessory. There appears to be an issue where the damage accessory has a negative affect. If I recall, @lewie4 said that a fix is in the works.

[Optimus_Pig]

@angrlee

Didn’t the localized EMP from Starcream’s weapon disable the WMT?

[loynis]

TBH, starscream isn’t the only one having troubles with WMTs. Soundwave is weak against them, too. But starcream basically sucks vs everything else except boss pig while say, soundwave is prerfect against blocks.

[Anonymous]

Sunstorm is so strong and then he is so weak against the walking mortars.

[MillForce2k]

@lewie4 @angrlee

Here’s L9 Starscream without any accessories. He takes out a WMT at about the 2:25 mark and takes about 6 seconds.

L9 Starscream

Here’s L10 Starscream without any accessories. He takes out a WMT at about the 1:25 mark and takes about 9 seconds.

L10 Starscream wo ENR

Here’s L10 Starscream with Enhanced Null-Ray for +10% Damage. It’s the same run as above. The WMT is at about the 1:30 mark and also takes about 9 seconds.

L10 Starscream w ENR

[Anonymous]

Cool @millforce2k

[MillForce2k]

Here’s Level 11 Starscream. It looks like this is the highest level that will be able to take out a WMT before it moves off the screen.

WMT is at about 2:20 in both.
L11 Starscream wo ENR
L11 Starscream w ENR

Here are the times to take out a WMT

Without accessories:
L9 6 Sec
L10 9 Sec
L11 16 Sec

With Enhanced Null-Ray:
L10 9 Sec
L11 14 Sec

@lewie4 Why would transformers be less effective at higher levels?

[Pampeans]

@millforce2k +1! Now there’s a loaded question…

@lewie4 Why would transformers be less effective at higher levels?

[MillForce2k]

Here are a few more Starscream comparisons.

L12 Starscream wo ENR
L12 Starscream w ENR

L13 Starscream wo ENR
L13 Starscream w ENR

And the times (the second column is about the spot of the WMT):
Starscream wo Enhanced Null-Ray
L10 0:40 9 sec
L11 2:15 16 sec
L12 0:40 17 sec
L13 1:25 24 sec

Starscream w Enhanced Null-Ray
L10 0:45 9 sec
L11 2:15 14 sec
L12 0:40 16 sec
L13 1:15 19 sec

[Pampeans]

Good thing I got the Null-Ray with tokens. Looks like it’s a complete waste of gems so far…

[MillForce2k]

That’s probably in line with +10% damage. If you inflict 10% more damage, you should destroy your target 10% faster.

[Pampeans]

Maybe I’m misunderstanding, only in level 13 does there appear to be an appreciable difference — 5 secs?

[MillForce2k]

Hmm, I’ll have to pull the videos into editing software to get more accurate times. A 1 second error looking at the times in media player could make a big difference in effectivity.

[MillForce2k]

Here are the times to a much better accuracy. The last column shows the percent decrease in time to kill a WMT with Enhanced Null-Ray and is calculated based on times to the fraction of a second. That jump in L13 is surprising since I took the time to destroy a fireball with ENR.

Starscream wo Enhanced Null-Ray
L10 . 0:40 . 6.9 sec
L11 . 2:15 . 16.1 sec
L12 . 0:40 . 16.3 sec
L13 . 1:25 . 23.4 sec

Starscream w Enhanced Null-Ray
L10 . 0:45 . 7.3 sec . -6%
L11 . 2:15 . 14.9 sec . 7%
L12 . 0:40 . 15.8 sec . 3%
L13 . 1:15 . 18.8 sec . 20%

Edited to fix % decrease
Edited again to show more granularity in the kill times.

[Pampeans]

Thanks @millforce2k, but it looks like there’s no noticeable difference until you get to level 13 with the Null-Ray. Level 11 is only one second difference and level 10 & 12 there’s no difference. Level 12 should say 0% instead of 3%?

[MillForce2k]

Yep, didn’t catch that one. The time is rounded to to second, but the calculation is to the fraction of a second.