Mastery Points

[StarCraft]

@all
Hi everyone and thanks for keeping this useful topic up to date.

@smwforever45
I have for 9973 for M61

[RedYoshi45]

@starcraft
No problem. :) Especially thank @mvnla2, though. She created this topic.

It says 9973 because this class has already collected a few mastery points since the last upgrade.

[RedYoshi45]

I just updated my second profile to 1.5.3.
The Mastery rebalance brought a few of my birds to Rank 4, some to Rank 6, some to Rank 8, and one to Rank 7. I updated the first post with two more estimates: Going from 4 to 5 takes roughly 550 Mastery points, and going from 7 to 8 costs about 1050 Mastery points.

EDIT: Just purchased Druid, she started off at M3. It should take roughly 375 Mastery points from 3 to 4.

EDIT 2: It takes 8,595 points to get from M50 to M51. Just tested it out on my main profile.

[GrimmJow]

What is the best stage now for grind mastery ?
KPC ? Cause pigs are at low level ?

And I don’t understand Rovio. They want to equalize level and mastery to 60, but they don’t fix a glitch M61… Why ?

[RedYoshi45]

@grimmjow
They picked the way of smallest resistance I guess, like electrons do. It’s less work for them to simply keep the max mastery rank at 61, instead of making it 60 and having to set thousands of classes to M60. Plus, I guess it makes players happier to have M61 birds than having M60 birds.

The best stages are STILL 4-5, 13-5 and 17-5. However, if your birds aren’t strong enough (below M40), then KPC may be viable (until they fix the low-level pigs… I’m not sure if it’s really intended to have them at their original level).

[GrimmJow]

You mean that they leave with M61 not to have more work ? But when we shall have level 80 and mastery 80, there it will be equal ?

My birds are the strongest possible (level 60, mastery 60). But I do not like playing caves, because I can progress only 2 birds at the same time.
Thus among the levels of the map, which I may make ?

[RedYoshi45]

@grimmjow
Yeah, most likely. They’ll equal it out with the next level/rank increase.

I think you should still stick to the caves because there is simply a so much higher outcome.
KPC with Level 14 pigs will provide only 2 (4 for ‘strong’ pigs) Mastery points per defeated pig, 33% of the time. On the contrary, any cave will provide 7 (14 for ‘strong’) pigs) Mastery points per defeated pig, 33% of the time. And since you play only levels with ONLY brutes appearing, most of them dropping Mastery 100% of the time, the advantage is overwhelming. Even if you could only use ONE bird for the caves, I’d still take the caves over KPC right now. Once KPC is back to Level 60 pigs, it could look different.

[RedYoshi45]

Added a new value in: 8065 points to go from rank 47 to 48.

@all If one of your birds is about to rank up, try to go to an easy level to grind just so many mastery points that the class will rank up. Stop once the “Mastery Up” appears on your bird during battle. Exit the battle and go to your Nest. Tap and hold the class that just ranked up, and tell me how many points it needs to go until the next rank. Your contributions will enormously help me completing the table!

[DD]

@smwforever45 Skulker@M52 needing 156 to rank up. After +500 at Dojo, it needs another 8776 to rank up. So perhaps 8776 + 500 – 156 = 9120?

[RedYoshi45]

@toolow
That’s another way to do it. Is actually simpler than my method, but you have to be lucky to get an offer for exactly the class that is about to level up.
I’ll add your number to the first post. Wonderful, thank you!

[Jamairoqui]

@smwforever45 That is how I work it when I am trying to max out hats. I grind them until they are one or two dojo buys from max and then move on to a different hat. It saves time since I don’t use most hats anyway, and eventually you get dojo buys for all of them so it doesn’t really matter if they max out now or in a week. So for example, during the event, I’ll grind a hat until I get it just below 6,000 and then hope I hit the 6,000 all slot on the wheel.

[DD]

@smwforever45 It should be level 53 to 54 needing 9120 instead of level 52 to 53 since I’ve just leveled up from 52.

[RedYoshi45]

@toolow
Whoopsie, fixed!

@jamairoqui
That’s also a way to play. Possibly more efficient than my current method of playing till 0. I should try it.

[Jamairoqui]

@smwforever45 However, I realize now it doesn’t work going from 60 to 61 since the dojo is broken.

[RedYoshi45]

@jamairoqui
The Dojo is not broken. Rank 61 was originally not even intended to stay in the game. You can only rank up to 61 through normal gameplay. That’s actually normal.

[DD]

@smwforever45
Before Red@M59 93 Chuck@M59 6824
After Red@M60 10343 Chuck@M59 6579

So M60-M61 needs 10343 + (6824 – 6579) – 93 = 10495.

[burbman]

@smwforever45 – I have been grinding cave 1-5. Can you explain why 4-5 is preferred? Trying to get as many classes within 6K of level 61 as possible before the current event ends, so they will all level up with the wheel spin.

[Jamairoqui]

@smwforever45 I don’t think this it’s normal for the dojo to not let you get to the highest mastery class. Getting from 14 to 15 in the old system, the dojo didn’t shut down once all your hats got to 14. Here, if all your classes are at 60, then there is no dojo, but there are still mastery levels. That is *not* normal. The dojo is broken.

I admit it’s broken because they broke a different part of the game and you were never supposed to be able to use the dojo to go from 60 to 61 (because you were never supposed to get to 61 at all). However, that doesn’t mean it isn’t messed up. And being able to grind to get your classes to 61 just shows that part of the game didn’t also break.

[DD]

@smwforever45
Using Dojo,
M54-M55: 8886 + 500 – 91 = 9295

[RedYoshi45]

@toolow
M60 to M61 has been confirmed by @datguygamer before, but thanks for confirming that it’s correct :P

I estimated 9,300 for M54-M55. Pretty nice guess, thanks for confirming!

@jamairoqui
Oh well. I guess this doesn’t matter anymore once we get the upgrade to M80, I guess.

@burbman
Last time I checked, 1-5 spawned not just Brutes but also Shamans. Those don’t drop Mastery 100% of the time like most Brute-type pigs do. 4-5 was already the better level before 1.5.3 because the pigs would drop more Mastery than 1-5’s, and it was easier for me to take weaker allies to 4-5 than to 1-5 because the cave effect dealt no damage to the birds. It’s still my preferred choice over 1-5 because of the lack of Shamans.

[DD]

@smwforever45
As you pointed out, 4-5 tends to give more mastery before. While I did not thoroughly check the drops, a small sample for me suggests that the odds have shifted in favour of 1-5 for mastery, 230-260 instead of around 215. In addition, my birds have a much better rate of survival at 1-5 with autoplay, likely because I don’t have many enchanted items. However, 4-5 still gives more snoutings for me, if I manage to keep the birds alive at the end.

EDIT: The damage at 1-5 is negligible at high level especially with health restoring ability and/or items. Stunning at 4-5 while doing no damage robs your chance of doing damage especially if the birds are relatively weak.

[RedYoshi45]

@toolow
My standard set for Chuck at the moment is Mana, I guess that’s one of the reasons why 4-5 works particularly well for me. If you don’t have that set then maybe 1-5 is the way to go.

[DD]

@smwforever45 Aye, Mana set is very useful at 4-5. I managed to score the highest score among friends at one point with a borrowed Chuck possessing Mana without even trying or realising, until @pointless blow past me after I held it for a good many weeks.

[Pointless]

Sorry @toolow
Got to do something while I’m not playing Arena :)

[MVNLA2]

@smwforever45 — Please remove the @ in front of my name at the bottom of the main thread. I get notified every time you change it. I really do appreciate your taking this over, as I’m sure do the rest of the Nesters.