Mastery Points

[Mechanic Pig]

@smwforever45 If it was updated, how come the 2->3 is still 5726 and orange?

[Dallasreds]

@poptimus
You get extra credit for “Snoutput”

[Pointless]

@poptimus I have been preaching 13-5 as well, quite the reward if you can effectively clear the Waves (I am averaging over 210 Mastery per run).

I also double your kudos for Snoutput…perfect :)

[datguygamer]

@smwforever45 Mastery required from M7 to M8 is 20,060. Your estimation was very close. :)

[RedYoshi45]

@poptimus
I have also discovered 13-5 is excellent for Mastery (cleared it a few times myself and it’s AWESOME)… but whenever I let auto-play do it it is unable to clear the level! :( (Yes most of my birds are M10) I need a level that ANY team can clear because I play with those classes that are closest to levelling up which aren’t always the ideal birds…

Snoutput (great word :D) is pretty similar to 1-5, possibly a bit lower because the 10th wave is always a single Frost Hog.

@christian-cosgrove
The most recent version is in the first post. The pictures I post throughout the topic are not updated. Only the first post.

@datguygamer
Excellent, gonna update :)

[Anonymous]

@dallasreds @pointless @smwforever45
I’m really contributing a lot lately! I mean, RED-14, Snoutput… LOL

Anyway, @smwforever45, I’ve got some mastery data for you: My Princess just leveled up from M12 to M13 via Dojo. Pre-dojo she needed 319 to level up. Post-dojo she needs 37,264 to get to M14. Therefore the mastery reauired to go from M13 to M-4 is 37,445. Since that’s a bit of a weird number, I’ll try to verify it shortly. My Druid is poised for the same rank up. Let me know if you’d like me to post screencaps to my ABN album.

[RedYoshi45]

@poptimus
37,445 would make a lot of sense actually.
With 37,445 from M13 to M14, the amount of Mastery collected at M15 would have 0 as the last digit again.

My Lightning Bird will hit M11 soon so I can update another yellow box.

Screencaps are not required but would be nice.

[RedYoshi45]

Ok. After KO’ing a single Level 4 piggie I now know the exact value for M11 -> M12.

It’s 31,515. Seems odd but it’s true because I had 1 mastery left to the next rank and the pig gave me exactly 1 mastery.

Again, my estimated number turns out to be pretty accurate.

[Dallasreds]

I have run into the wealthly rouge in CC 4-5 more than usual the last few days thus increasing the SNOUTPUT of the level occasionally.

[RedYoshi45]

@dallasreds
I think there is no difference between Wealthy Rogues appearances in the Caves and in island levels. We just encounter them in the Caves a lot because these are the levels we primarily play to grind right now. :p

BTW, just for the sake of it, my current ranks:

I marked each class that is closest to rank up for each bird, these are the ones I play with in the Chronicle Caves for some bonus Mastery:
Witch (8 -> 9): 2135 to go
Guardian (10 -> 11): 8369 to go
Rogues (10 -> 11): 9980 to go
Mage (10 -> 11): 12552 to go
Pirate (10 -> 11): 18974 to go

Other important classes:
Paladin (12 -> 13): 32831 to go
Wizard (14 -> 15): 36395 to go
Sea Dog (7 -> 8): 19548 to go
Spies (12 -> 13): 33239 to go

[Anonymous]

Ran s’more tests on 13-5, and also did a little bit of piggy mastery drop rate recording:

– With my M12 Cleric and M12 Illusionist (pretty much the worst combo ever, but it was just the lowest mastery classes I had this morning), and borrowing birds with 314 average power, I got 28.9 mastery per bird per minute, and 16.4 snouts per minute. This is based on average run time of 6:50 (including one nine minute loss).

– With my M13 Wizard and M12 Bard (with Nightmare set, which is a huge boon in Cave 13), and borrowing birds with average power of 358, I was able to cut my average time down to 5:14, which resulted in a whopping 38.0 mastery per bird per minute, and 15.7 snouts per minute.

– I also did four runs where I counted mastery drops. Brutes dropped mastery only 3 times out of the 22 I faced. Brawlers were 17/17, big/lone Brawlers were 9/9, Frost Hogs were 13/13, and Primeval Frost Hogs were 5/5. This corroborates what @suikyo posted in the “SRC broken as grind level” thread the other day. I’m interested to do more testing of Brutes, so see if they really do drop mastery at such a low rate over a larger sample, but I used up all my patience on those four runs. Back to autoplay for me!

[Anonymous]

Actually, my mastery earned per run in those last four was quite a bit lower than what I’ve been seeing in all my autoplay testing over the past few days, so I have to assule the low rate of Brutes dropping mastery is a small sample anomaly.

[RedYoshi45]

@poptimus
I can’t auto-play with just two selected classes, at one point they’ll be at M15 and then I can’t collect this mastery anymore so I’m playing Cave 4-5 because every class, even M6 classes and no matter how useless they are, can clear it, and Mastery output is still good enough. If all my classes make it to M12 I may switch :P

Almost every Brute-type pig I encounter drops Mastery; no type drops them all the time though, but each drops them MUCH more often than any other pig type does. I well think this is intended, because they take quite some time to defeat compared to other pigs and can KO a bird in a single strong hit (given that we’re not as overpowered :P).
Scratch that. I can confirm what you said – actual Brutes almost never drop Mastery, while the other Brute-type pigs drop it all the time. It may be a glitch… we should use it before Rovio fixes it with the nest ESoD…

[Mechanic Pig]

@smwforever45 13 to 14: 37450?

8 to 9: 22000 approx.

9 to 10: 23000 approx.

Time to order them up!

8 to 9: 25% sure
9 to 10: 25% sure
13 to 14: 85% sure.

EDITed because last time it failed to work.

[RedYoshi45]

@christian-cosgrove
Don’t always try to round up to a round number. There are numbers ending with a 5, too. Let’s wait for @poptimus confirming the number he provided for M13 to M14.

I said 8 to 9 was 23,000 and 9 to 10 was 22,000. As I said, these are estimated numbers. Don’t trust them so much. XD

[Anonymous]

37,445 to go from 13 to 14 confirmed three times over. Screencaps now in my album.

[RedYoshi45]

Yup, gonna change the status now. Thanks!

So now, we need M3 classes about to reach M4, M4 classes about to reach M5, M5 classes about to reach M6, and M8 classes about to reach M9.
My Witch is fairly close to levelling up to M9 (~2k away), so I can see how much exactly it takes from M9 to M10. This will interest @angryjohnny.

[Bubbley]

Had a little time on my hands today so I looked at a few battles.

I used Priestess with Sweet and Cannoneer with scissors my birds are 60/14. All battles used autoplay.

Cave 17/5 I need 3 birds to autoplay this so borrowed as the list came. The weakest borrowed was a 60/11 Illusionist with Mana power 185. I also used a 60/7 Paladin without a set. All battles were won.

I would not recommend this battle:

10 battles took 71 minutes. Snoutput 926. Mastery per bird 1960. Therefore mastery per bird per minute 27.6 and Snouput 13.04 per minute.

Cave 11/4 this I think @smwforever45 can play with 2 birds. I can and do. It’s a 7 wave battle.

10 battles took 39 minutes. Snoutput 1733. Mastery per bird 1239. Therefore mastery per bird per minute 31.77 and Snoutput (I’m recommending it for the Oxford Dictionary by the way) 44.44 per minute.

Cave 13/5 I can play this with two birds. However 2 battles took 22 minutes and I began to lose the will to live.

Using 3 birds but swapped Priestess for TH because she had reached rank 15 and I borrowed Matilda (Bard or Witch).

I could only manage 4 battles which took 29 minutes. Snoutput 467 and Mastery per bird 767. Therefore Mastery per bird per minute 26.45 and Snoutput 16.1 per minute.

I would say cave 11/4 wins hands down. The cave is kinder also, both 13 and 17 ding your birds so they lose a turn.

Time taken for battles depends very much upon the birds used and Snoutput varies with the appearance of the WR.

@poptimus you mentioned Druid/illusionist as poor. I borrowed an Illusionist and in combination with Priestess he was really useful I was surprised and rather regret not using my Priestess with Illusionist because mine is trailing my other birds and Priestess is now 15.

[Anonymous]

@bubbley
Were those stats from autoplay, or manual? Either way, I wasn’t aware of 11-4 before, so thanks for the heads-up! But my point was that Druid/Illusionist is a poor autoplay combo. Pretty much any two bird team can roll through 13-5 quickly when playing manual, no? (Assuming M12+, that is.)

There’s really no point in trying 17-5, when 13-5 is essentially the same level with slightly weaker pigs that drop the same amount of mastery (14).

The other difference between those two is the cave effect. 13-5 stuns a random character (which is a pig sometimes! That’s why Matty’s nightmare set is so helpful), whereas 17-5 just damages a bird every few turns but doesn’t actually stun any characters (because the timing of the effect is bugged).

That said, 11-4 is in the same boat (slightly weaker pigs that still drop 14 mastery) without the stuns, so it seems intuitive that mastery/minute would be higher. Except the mitigating factor is that play time is diluted because it’s a seven wave battle, so you have to spend 30 or 35 seconds between levels more often. I’ll run some autoplay tests of my own shortly and report back.

[RedYoshi45]

A Brute level is hidden in the ninja cave? Nifty, I didn’t know this! As it’s a 7-wave battle one can’t gain as much mastery as in 13-5 but there is no random stun and the pigs are 4 levels lower… and it won’t take as long to go through my 5-page friend list. I’ll make a comparison test and compare 4-5, 11-4 and 13-5 with my strongest birds and some strong allies :) Bring me all your Paladins, LOL

[Bubbley]

@poptimus all the battles were autoplay of course more or less any combo can win if you play yourself.

My timings are for 10 battles, in the case of 11/4 39 minutes. So I clocked the start and the finish then divided by 10 to get the battle time. This takes care of time between to spin, set up and even to chose a friends bird. I tried to minimise time choosing friends birds by just running straight down the list. I only had to skip one which was a Bard. Battle time is very dependant on the choice of birds and weapons. I thought I would be able to complete the three I chose with Priestess and Cannoneer but after I finished cave 11/4 she only had a few points left.

Glad you found this useful.

Now I need to find a good situation for my Illusionist.

[Bubbley]

@smwforever45 my Paladin is available but looking at your birds you should be able to use just 2 for many combinations. When your friends are resting you can still play it.

[Joanna Caccavo]

@smwforever4

I’m hoping you can help me ^^;

I’ve finished Cave 17, and I’ve only got one lvl ~60 legendary weapon, having wasted all my coins on the gpm when I was level 20-something

I’d really like to find stronger weapons than I have now without having to spend $$ on more gold coins for the gpm, but am I sol when it comes to getting more weapon blueprints now? I’m pretty sure there are stronger craftable weapons than what I have now, based off of what the gpm spits out daily. I was wondering if perhaps re-battling cave bosses grants a shot at new blueprints…?

FYI, my strongest craftable weapons/armor for each bird:

Red: Oragami Sword/Spike Shield
Chuck: Aqua Wand/Christmas Bulb
Bomb: Sack Bomb/Jungle Map
Mathilda: Jaw Comb/Pineapple Doll
Blues: Clamp Bow/Ceremonial Horn

Thanks!

[RedYoshi45]

It seems the Snoutput of the cave levels has been slightly increased somewhere in between…
While I always got ~64-65 Snouts in Caves 1 and 17 back when I tested it in 1.4.6, I now get ~69-70 Snouts on average. Something was tweaked (and yes, I did exclude Wealthy Rogues in both tests).

EDIT:

@joanna-caccavo
The blueprints you can get in Cave 17 are the strongest in the game. If you have these, you can get no more. Rovio hasn’t added new caves and thus new blueprints yet.
However, keep in mind that the maximum level of the blueprint items will be level 50. Higher levels can only be obtained from the GPM!

@bubbley
Going through all of my friends list takes me ~2 hours if I can manage to use them all in a single session. After that, I feel I did enough grinding for the next 12 hours. :P

[RedYoshi45]

The results of my lil’ research are in!

11-4 is a great tip for Mastery! However, 1-5 and 4-5 remain THE place to go if you’re mainly out for Snouts, or if your birds are not strong enough to clear Cave 11 levels.