Squawk! Please note that scores obtained using Character Swaps and TELEPODs are permitted on our Angry Birds Star Wars II leaderboard! However, please submit a strategy on our walkthrough pages explaining which characters were used and how you used them.

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Comments (56)

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By Chicadee (@chicadee)

Hi @AMslimfordy, I haven’t downloaded the game yet but have had a Telepod Starter Pack put aside for me at my nearest ToysRus store. Just wanted to say THANK YOU for allowing PUPs and Telepod scores on the Leaderboards. I know (as a past purist re not using PUPs) that it’s not going to please everyone but as in everything in life, you can’t please everyone.

Now going off to download the game on my iPad and reread all those extremely helpful notes you’ve made – especially in light of the early release.

Thanks again, from one very happy flinger :)

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By Cal010 (@cal010)

In direct contrast to @chicadee‘s comment above, I would like to say I’m disappointed that power ups are allowed. It feels like there’s no point to entering scores here, because you will always be lower than someone who spent money.

There will be a top score earned without powerups somewhere in each level’s leaderboard, but nobody will know which it is…

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By zwizdan007 (@zwizdan007)

I agree!!

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By Cal010 (@cal010)

It’s been two and a half months since I made this comment, and I want to say that I have changed my mind. Allowing swaps on the leaderboard for this game was certainly the right choice, and this is because of what separates the power ups in this game from any other AB game: The ability to use swaps permanently.

It doesn’t matter if you bought telepods or in the shop, being able to use a character as many times as you want fixes one of the main issues with power ups. It’s why I bought mighty eagles but never space eagles. Angry Birds is all about failing and retrying, and when failure costs money there’s a big problem. It’s a great step away from the “greedy” nature of temporary purchases.

On the flip side, the clear issue is the absurdly high prices for credits. I don’t know how much telepods cost (and they also are themselves a toy so I won’t include them), but buying a permanent character in game costs between $20 and $50. This is horrifically and unacceptably expensive, but you can get enough credits for FREE through achievements to buy any character just by playing the game. I just bought Darth Vader and I’m excited to boost my scores on ABN.

I could go on about the ups and downs of Rovio’s decision making, but this was supposed to be about the leaderboards here. So again, thanks @amslimfordy and the rest of you guys for making the choice that had to be made, whether we like it or not. I encourage anyone that is upset about swaps being allowed on this leaderboard to buy yourself a permanent character (with the free credits that you hopefully saved) and join in.

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By bonneypattycat (@bonneypattycat)

I do not intend to buy Telepods or in-game characters, but I do not mind that the SW2 leaderboard will allow all scores. SW2 seems designed for the additional characters, so the leaderboard should reflect that. I will continue to compete on the other boards, for now, and leave this one to those willing to make the additional purchases for a better score (no offense).

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By bernersenn (@bernersenn)
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By bernersenn (@bernersenn)

But whe can play this game without these features – we’ll see where we end.

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By EricBirdz (@ericbirdz)

If you use a character swap, does the game itself have an indicator that one has been used? This was/is the case I believe in other recent AB games…

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By AMslimfordy (@amslimfordy)

@EricBirdz There’s a lightning bolt icon that appears ONLY on the score-tally screen. Once you restart the level (or move on and come back), there is no record that the score was obtained using a swap.

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By leggy (@leggy)

“Squawk! Please note that scores obtained using Character Swaps and TELEPODs are permitted on our Angry Birds Star Wars II leaderboard!”

Telepods = power ups!
Regardless of the arguments giving by the admin throughout the site for their inclusion on the ABN ABsw2 leaderboards, it used to be that power ups were not permitted on the ABN leaderboards; the exception being the AB Facebook leaderboards.
I for one have no intention of buying telepods, character swaps, or in other words, power ups, to enhance my scores, and whilst the decision to permit power up scores on the ABsw2 leaderboards stands, as @bonneypattycat has said, “I will continue to compete on the other boards, for now, and leave this one to those willing to make the additional purchases for a better score (no offense).”

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By AMslimfordy (@amslimfordy)

@leggy Please see my response to Tinus. The reasons are 100% logical. In fact, @BirdLeader can tell you that I pushed for a long long time to keep the Leaderboards “pure”, but eventually caved because it would be impossible to ever prove that a score was obtained using TELEPODs.

Rank: Fling King with 4995 points
By leggy (@leggy)

@AMSlimfordy – whilst I appreciate your response and the efforts made to keep the boards pure, I do not want to get in to an argument about this, especially not publicly. What I will say however is that I’m with @tinus on this one, seperate leaderboards, and that if you wish to discuss this further, I am happy to do so via a pm. Thanks.

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By AMslimfordy (@amslimfordy)

Just missed my response to Tinus about separate leaderboards. ;)

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By leggy (@leggy)

Like I said, I do not want to get in to an argument. ;)

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By Tinus (@tinus)

I must say I too am not pleased by allowing Character Swaps and Telepods and this leaderbord. I really enjoy competing with the topscores, knowing that those were obtained with blood, sweat & tears. Knowing that there are actually even higher scores possible, it always provides a challenge. With this new setup, a (large) wallet is required as well. And therefore, not my cup of tea.

It seems to me that 2 leaderbords would keep everybody happy. One for the old school scores, and 1 for the other one where everything is possible. So here’s (another) big plea towards everybody running ABN to reconsider this decision, or at least provide 2 type of leaderbords.

Rank: Sling God with 26870 points
By AMslimfordy (@amslimfordy)

@Tinus Trust me, we discussed the leaderboards here for several days. Let me break down the most important facts.

1) Swap Scores are NOT logged separately in the app. Therefore (with the exception of the lightning bolt on the score tally screen) there is no evidence whatsoever of whether a score was obtained with or without Swaps.
2) Swaps are obtainable, in bulk, without the requirement of cash payment. Users earn sufficient bird credits and direct swaps in-game to compete.
3) Swaps are existing from the very start of the app. Unlike in ABo and other games where we have a long-established maximum score threshold for most levels, we have no such data for a brand new app. Policing such a leaderboard would be impossible.

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By Bob0 (@bob0)

Ahh. I just finished three-starring SWII, entered the first batch of SWII scores and then read the comments here. I understand the situation. I have decided to opt out of further involvement on the SWII boards. As I don’t care about PUPs or pods and as we can’t record or validate “pure scores,” it is no longer any fun to play this one. I’ll stick with the older games and keep trying the daily challenges. I hope SWII won’t be included in them.

Change happens. C’est la vie.

Thanks to all ABN admins for the fun hard work!

Cheers…

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By Bob0 (@bob0)

That should be “fun (ours) and (their) hard work!”

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By lvmh (@lvmh)

I agree with you, @tinus. Having completed the 4 chapters, I have to say I noticed only a few times players confirming the use of swaps, and which characters they picked. On the other hand, there is not much Angrybirdsnest can do since there is no way to determine how a score was obtained. It’s more a Rovio decision, and it is a bit sad. Well, I, for one, 3*everything the “classic” way, sometimes with a lot of difficulties, and I am happy with it. Thanks to the team for the great walkthroughs, and good flight, guys!

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By Tinus (@tinus)

@AMslimfordy Thanks for explaining in more detail. I do understand the choice made; it’s basically forced upon ABN too based on decisions Rovio made. Maybe they’ll update later in a way that makes separate score logging possible. One can only hope :-)

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By SnTrooper (@sntrooper)

I just thought of a solution that might appease the antiSwap people. It probably isn’t possible or would take way to much work but is there any way to add in a check box for people to click when they enter a score, if the score was obtained through swaps?

So on the leader board it would show
Rank – Name – Score – a mark to show if a swap was used or not

That way people that don’t use swaps could see where their scores lay in comparison to other “pure” scores.

Plus it would actually sometimes help with the policing issue because I would assume that the type of people that would put in fake scores wouldn’t be smart enough to check the box.

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By AMslimfordy (@amslimfordy)

@SnTrooper However if someone claims that they didn’t use a Swap (or if they simply don’t remember), there’s no way of determining the truth.

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By Tinus (@tinus)

That’s a good idea. Hopefully something like this can be build.

It also might be worth a try to have a voluntary “no swap” scoreboard. I’m guessing there are enough trustworthy people here on ABN who can judge wether a particular score is really possible or not. When in doubt, I think a screenshot showing no lightning bolt would be proof, if I understand AMslimfordy correctly. I know I’m counting on the self-correcting factor of the ABN old-school community here, but it seems there might be enough of them :-)

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By AMslimfordy (@amslimfordy)

Two leaderboards would require a lot more than just creating a new leaderboard. It would require us re-producing over 100 posts with sufficient distinction to not annoy Google. We discussed it, but realized that we would end up drowning ourselves — and even still, the boards would not likely be as efficient as you expect.

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By Tinus (@tinus)

Well, just a quick guess that you, Sal9 and BirdLeader, are busy enough (here) as it is already. My appreciations for all of you!

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By Maiasatara (@maiasatara)

I think a check box for swap scores (or non-swap, either way) is a GREAT idea if the double board is really off the table forever. Regarding policing, well, we have to assume some small percentage of people are so tied to ego they will be posting false scores. That doesn’t take away from the amazing job everyone is doing at ABN it’s just a sad fact. I did software QA and Project Mgmt for years – isn’t there a way to pull scores directly from our various platforms? Sorry if I’ve missed that discussion elsewhere on the boards. Thanks, all! : )

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By AMslimfordy (@amslimfordy)

The data files are encrypted, which poses a bit of an issue

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By AMslimfordy (@amslimfordy)

Mwahahahahaha, the leaderboard is MINE

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By Cal010 (@cal010)

So, what’s your opinion on printing out QR codes on paper, once others upload them, and getting free swaps? (assuming this works)

Will you be encouraging this by providing links, discouraging it, or ignoring it completely?

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By AMslimfordy (@amslimfordy)

No absolutely not. That’s stealing.

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By Cal010 (@cal010)

Fair enough. As much as it’s stealing/cheating, there’s no denying that it will occur, though. It’s a flaw in Rovio’s telepod system, and people like to exploit flaws.

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By Cal010 (@cal010)

(For the record, I’m still against the use of swaps in general, and levels should be played as Rovio intended. Any variations, even provided directly by Rovio, are “cheating” in my book.)

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By justpast40 (@justpast40)

While I too am a purist & have never, ever used PU ( I’ve restarted a # of times when accidentally hitting one of those darn things on small Android screen). I understand & support ABN decision to allow swaps & Telepods on the ABSW II LeaderBoards. As @bonneypattycat wrote, it is the way the game is designed, not to mention the fact policing the Boards would be impossible as @amslimfordy indicated is the conclusion he & @birdleader came to. As a young senior here on ABN, a child raised in the 60′s, I find the idea of Telepods absolutely fascinating from a technology in game play point of view.

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By EricBirdz (@ericbirdz)

I agree with you, although I was born in the 70′s. the fact that my iPhone 4 bought in 2011 can use this technology amazed me. When I hooked up my Darth Vader telepod and it worked, I positively squealed with glee. My boyfriend got major major kudos for this gift and not a score improvement goes by without him hearing about it. I just wish I had them all but obviously not everyone has bottomless pockets. The problem indeed originates with Rovio but for now I’m just having fun with it and may buy permanent swaps for the best characters as more credits are warned through future updates (which are indeed free). Much love to Angrybirdsnest :)

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By EricBirdz (@ericbirdz)

I agree with the purists but also see the side of the administration on this one. As was pointed out to me upon my question earlier, there is no way to tell if a score was obtained with a swap. And I understand that is why this is the way it is. And ya know, I do have a few telepods. They were bought for me by my significant other and I must say it is incredibly fun. They helped me get a few hundred points (so far) here and there and it’s been actually fun to figure out where they were useful.

And in that, I find comfort. With the exception of a few levels (for instance, swapping in Vader on the first level where Sidious is introduced), the scores are not VASTLY higher. Although there are still some levels where I have flagged scores, even with possible Telepod use.

It’s added a dimension to the game that is refreshing, although my heart aches that since not everyone has access to someone in their life who can buy them fun things like Telepods. Still, I don’t have all of them (I received the star destroyer set although my Panaka doesn’t work), and I only use them in creative ways. I do wish Rovio had made it obvious when one was used.

Cheers…

Ericbirdz

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By AngryAdvisor (@lesleyg)

@amslimfordy – I do not intend to use telepods or swaps however I understand completely why you (all admins) decided they kinda have to be allowed on ABSW II. I do want for everyone to think about this: On the Episodes that still do not have the distinction of the lightening bolts for PU’s, you asked everyone to NOT add power-up scores…so with those Episodes in mind…we have already been on the “honor” system so to speak with those….
It’s been working well, IMO…
This is really no different except you are allowing swap scores, HOWEVER you BOLDLY wrote,

“However, please submit a strategy on our walkthrough pages explaining which characters were used and how you used them”

So this should be enforced! I have managed to get some Top Scores WITH OUT SWAPS, even three are still holding on EtT P2-8, 9, & 10 ;-) When I see Top Scores posted, I simply want to know if they were used with a swap and if so which one and how was it used! You requested this from everyone so I only hope it will be enforced. Perhaps that would help everyone, especially those of us that want to keep our scores “pure”. That way at least we know what we’re up against and we can be that much prouder when we manage to get and even keep a Top score with out a swap being used. That’s all I ask. I often see a Top score that I am so close to and wonder if I should keep trying or was it obtained with a swap? They should be required to post on the walkthrough page if they used one, so we can move on if we know that’s why we can’t beat it! I hope this makes sense…I think a lot of Nesters would appreciate it ;-) As usual, Thank you for ALL of your hard work 8-)

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By AngryAdvisor (@lesleyg)

I will add this…I only care if they post on the walkthrough page if they used a swap…I don’t really care “How” they got it but I simply want to know if a swap was used…because I have no intentions of trying to duplicate their success. I just want to know so I can determine if I think I can still beat it with a “pure” score or move on.
Thank you again for all you do ;-)))

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By Lord Elrond (@lord-elrond)

Purist or not the leaderboards are still going to be pretty much an honour system. Unlike some games that actually allow you to upload your scores directly, I have been involved testing for anotehr developer who successfully has this method built into the game so when you see your scores the upload option is there which then all players globally can compare and is a true score which unless you hack the game can not be tweaked.

Personally, if the object is there to be used and bought either with real cash or bird credits.. then the score would be valid as all have the option to do so.

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By Toby (@tobyv)

I’m curious, why is there an asterisk next to the 3-star score for P1-S3?

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By AMslimfordy (@amslimfordy)

An asterisk means that the minimum 3-star score may be lower than what we have listed. We have not yet been able to confirm that it is the true minimum.

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By EricBirdz (@ericbirdz)

I have a question: my friend wants to buy me ABSW2 credits for Christmas – can he just get me an iTunes gift card, in other words, is that how Rovio charges you for credits?

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By AMslimfordy (@amslimfordy)

Yes, purchasing credits in-game will be charged to your iTunes account. And iTunes gift card would be the most direct means.

By dejanira2

I for one do not understand what the numbers on the middle icon on left of screen mean. Then there are numbers on the right side that I do not understand either. Character swaps, temporary and permanent, like wise no ideal.

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By PdB (@playdbird)

@renerika

You seem to have the SW2 leaderboard locked up – congrats!
Can you tell us how you are playing?
Are you using telepods, swaps, or playing the levels with the characters as they’re given to us?

Thanks!

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By renerika (@renerika)

Some with swaps and some without . Sorry dont have so much time for writing because of playing all day long. :)

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By atestofpatience (@atestofpatience)

I wish I had read this before getting score obsessed as I may have simply not posted any of mine and instead have used this site simply for reference.
I realize it would likely be equally as impossible as proving swap vs. non-swap scores, but if it were, I would go with PC vs. other device leader boards.
I play on my laptop which affords me the opportunity to earn vast numbers of characters simply by playing and replaying levels. On one level alone I’ve gone through uncountable hundreds of Tie Fighters trying to cure an obsession for getting a score I thought possible.
Now, I was gifted a Kindle for Christmas and naturally I figured one of the features of it would be Angry Bird portability. I downloaded the game and began playing and, not being a gamer, was quickly confronted by the nature of having to constantly pay to play. I simply quit using that device for Angry Birds as my sense of economy would not allow that.
Currently, on at least one level I’ve managed a score that would likely cost a non-PC user quite dearly. Against another PC player I’d feel okay with the level playing field.
It really does make me feel like a cheater.
Is there a way I can go back through and delete my scores?

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By atestofpatience (@atestofpatience)

Sorry: “but if it WASN’T, I would go with PC vs. other devices leader boards.

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By Sarahbowl1 (@sarahbowl1)

Just for the record, I won’t ever enter a score where I have used a swap or a power up. Guess I am a purist in that way!

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By JonesShaver (@jonesshaver)

Same here. Power ups are sometimes fun/funny to see the results, but I prefer to meet the challenge with Rovios given birds in each level. It’s just not as gratifying as getting a great score without swaps.

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By mfiman (@mfiman)

I wanted to offer my two cents regarding ABN’s policy of allowing scores achieved via character swaps on the Leaderboards.

In brief, I support the decision. But not because I think it’s a good idea. Rather because, given how Rovio has structured the game, you really had no other choice.

Here’s the dilemma from my perspective:

Completing any Angry Birds level is about achieving two related goals. The first is to get the highest score you can. The second (which doesn’t get mentioned here as much) is to solve the puzzle.

To explain what I mean by “solve the puzzle,” I go back to the original Angry Birds and Angry Birds Seasons games. Here, all players were restricted to the same level playing field: the set of birds assigned to each level. There was an unstated assumption (which turned out to be true) that Rovio had designed each level so that it was possible to get a top score that was significantly higher than the minimum needed for three stars. To achieve these top scores, you needed to figure out how Rovio had designed the level to be best played. That was the puzzle to be solved.

Often there were non-obvious semi-hidden paths to success. Figuring out what best to do was similar to solving a maze game or a crossword puzzle. This aspect of Angry Birds was always the most fun and challenging for me. There was the joy of that “aha” moment when you suddenly realized there was a totally different way to play the level than you had been doing, one that achieved a much higher score.

That’s why, when I checked the Leaderboards and saw some top scores (or worse still, average scores) that were significantly higher than my best effort, I knew it was time to head back to the drawing board — and figure out what I was doing wrong. Eventually, occasionally only after hours of experimenting, I almost always solved the puzzle and joined the group of top scores. As a last resort, I checked the walk-throughs to discover what I had missed. For me, going to the walk-throughs was an admission of defeat. It was tantamount to going to the solutions page for a crossword puzzle to find out the answers to the clues that had stumped me.

Taken together, this all made Angry Birds and especially Angry Birds Seasons two of my all-time favorite games.

But now, with things like the character swaps (and even worse, the horrible “Last Chance” option) in Angry Birds Star Wars II, all of that is gone. Well, it’s not entirely gone. I can still play the game as if those things do not exist (which is what I do). But it’s gone if I want to compare my scores with the Leaderboards here at ABN or in Apple’s Game Center.

This became especially apparent in the Rise of the Clones levels. There were levels that had top scores between 20,000 and 45,000 more points than I had been able to achieve. I was almost certain there was no way to get those scores with the default set of birds. Mystified as to how these scores had been obtained, I went to the walk-throughs. Sure enough, I discovered that these scores were made possible only via character swaps. The purist in me rejected this as a solution.

Now, I suppose one could argue that figuring out which characters to use and how best to use them is just another type of puzzle to be solved. I might be persuaded to agree with that, but only if the swaps were truly part of the game — meaning that players had an unlimited permanent pool of all the characters to draw from. That way you could experiment and try different strategies — just as you can do with the default set of characters.

As we all know, this is not the case. Inevitably, to experiment with an assortment of different characters, and especially to try low probability of success maneuvers, you will have to spend money to purchase additional character quantities. This erases the level playing field of yore. Those with more money (or at least a greater willingness to spend money) will wind up with a significantly better chance of attaining high scores. And, without checking the walk-throughs (which, as I said, I like to avoid), there is no way of knowing how the listed high scores were achieved.

Let’s be frank. The reason Rovio put all these additional options into their games is not because they thought it would improve gameplay or add to a player’s enjoyment. If that was the case, they could have included the options for free or perhaps for a one-time upgrade fee. No, Rovio is looking for every way it can to squeeze more money out of its user base. And a never-ending stream of in-app purchasing is, from their perspective, the perfect way to do it. Combined with the incessant unavoidable advertising (and “Stuck?” screens and “Carbonite melting” messages) that keep appearing, my personal enjoyment of Angry Birds Star Wars II has deteriorated to the point that I almost ready to abandon it altogether.

So yes, for all these reasons, I would prefer if the Leaderboards remained free of character swaps and such. However, I recognize that enforcing this, especially for a game that had these options built in right from the start, is all but impossible to do. As I see it, you (ABN) were in a rock vs. hard place position and made the best decision you could. It’s just too bad that Rovio put you in that position.

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By AMslimfordy (@amslimfordy)

@mfiman Thank you for these sentiments. We were able to communicate extensively with Rovio before the app launched about how things were going to work. It took many hours to reach a consensus about whether we should permit “swap” scores or not. For many reasons we wanted to disallow them, but in the end we would have struggled to enforce such a policy.

As for the “Last Chance” feature… Well you kind of hit the nail on the head. Once we started down this road, we had absolutely no choice in where the rabbit hole went. Yes, we allow such scores, and it’s a little unfortunately if I can speak candidly. If we knew where the road would turn in the long run, it might have affected our initial decision. But for now, we must let the cards fall where they may.

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By MG516 (@mg516)

@mfiman – I want to compliment you on a well thought out and written piece.

I share your approach about trying to figure out the “puzzle” on the different levels. I am a purist when it comes to playing the levels and I admit to a bit of frustration in not being able to compete against scores obtained with swaps.

Anyway, thank you for taking the time to write, I only wish more people could see your piece. Happy flinging.

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By mfiman (@mfiman)

Thanks for the kind words. Inspired by your wish, I decided to post the comment to my personal blog (Slanted Viewpoint).

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By massive eagle (@massive-eagle)

To who it may concern. Just a suggestion: putting 3-star minimum scores on the “Your Leaderboards” section.

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By sal9 (@sal9)

@massive-eagle There is no room for an extra column, sorry.

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By massive eagle (@massive-eagle)

Is there anyway to reset my scores? I want to try again and start on a fresh new leaderboard.

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