513- they finally went to far

513 is too hard. I gave it about 40 tries before admitting I couldn’t finish it without extra birds and spent 60 gems on three extras (first time I had to do that). Still no reason to spend money though, I’ve received thousands of gems from quests and have plenty to spare for other insanely hard levels that will no doubt be thrown at us later.

You got it David.

God grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.

Level 513 has officially destroyed my serenity. Serenity now!!

It took me two days just get to the final room of 513. I’m now on 520 and I’d say it’s nigh on impossible without using gems (haven’t done so yet). I don’t mind a challenge, I don’t mind difficult but when the odds are so stacked against me, I do mind unfair. Think my love affair with AB is coming to an end – what was once a game of skill is now a game of chance.

Just wait until you get to 520. I was just about pulling my hair out being stuck on it for a few days.

I don’t think that level 513 was coded to make you try it at least 10 times before getting to the final stage because I beat this level in 3-4 plays!! LOL!! Sorry but it wasn’t that hard, just wait till u see the ‘Daily Chalenges’ if you want hard!! Last ‘Boss’ level has 6 rooms and if you die, you start over from the beginning..
Now as for level 513, once you get to the boss you will need to be able to hit a moving target at the right angle in order to push the boss pig into the ‘pit’ and he falls off the screen and you win.. Once he goes into the pink portal tube he will keep going around and around on a continuous loop. Once he is at the 1 o’clock position if you have a grey bird left (preferred but you can make due with whatever bird you have left) launch him so that when the intersect the boss is at the 11 pollock position and grey is directly below the boss then press the screen activating ‘Greys’ move and then the boss goes down the hole to the left and you win, easy….

Level 520 however you will need to get to the boss with at least 2-3 birds so that when the Boss has fallen into his little ‘cubby hole’ you can just blast him with your remaining birds (try to save a bomb bird, it will help u the most when boss pig is in his ‘cubby hole’)….

As for me, I REFUSE to spend money on the regular levels or to even buy the extra birds for 60gems if I didn’t beat a level the first few tries. I have beatten and 3 stared all 520 levels without once having to buy 3 extra birds! I did used to spend $ on the arena before Rovio DOUBLED the price and uses these tickets now, which if they were smart they would have keep it the same 12 gems per arena entry because that was more of an impulsive thing to spend 12gems per entry but now it adds an extra step to make one think before buying as well as the fact that they are DOUBLE the old price!! So I went from spending $15-$20 a week to ZERO and I will not spend another dollar until they fix it!! If everyone fallows suit then their profit margin will speak the loudest and the IDIOTS that increased the price of the arena should be fired when the see the profit lose! I LOVE this game but Rovio has almost RUINED it with its $ grubbing!

@stevey – I’ve definitely had the experience of a level seeming easy the first time through, only to becoming an exercise in pulling teeth on later attempts. “Easy” may also be a relative term compared to how hard the game gets later on. I don’t think college was easy, but it probably would have seemed easy by comparison if I had gone on to grad school!

Another thought is that we might have had our birds leveled up to different degrees when we first reached a level. I’d imagine a new player just starting out now, who didn’t have to wait for the release of new level sets and who wasn’t playing the Arena in the meantime, would have a harder time finishing some levels with lower-level birds. Whether just playing through the levels should get your birds up to a significant enough experience level to make things reasonably challenging, but not painfully so, or whether you should have to go back and “level grind”, or play the Arena a lot, or bribe your way to victory with real-world cash, is up for debate. (I’m not a huge fan of any of the latter options, though I do enjoy replaying the levels and the Arena just for the better understanding of the game I usually get out of it.)

@mwilkers – I’m not sure it was that simple or that deliberately malicious on Rovio’s part. I think the more likely explanation is that they didn’t fully realize the high likelihood of the procedural level generation creating unwinnable scenarios for the player, and some bugs in the physics engine that cause birds to do unexpected and ineffective things that differ from the player’s expectations (like bouncing off harmlessly in situations where you’ve seen in the past that the bird goes right through or at least penetrates a structure far enough to collapse it). I just chalk it up to a lack of thorough playtesting. That might be an argument in favor not rushing these new levels out the door so quickly.

@stevey – There are walkthroughs here in the nest up through level 520 I believe. Not that you would get the same draw or structures necessarily, but at least it proves the levels to be possible.

I’m a mere mortal, but I can’t really take much credit for beating it since it was more like, “Oh hey, finally got enough birds to brute force my way through this thing”. Unless you want to give me the credit for sheer tenacity, I guess.

For what it’s worth, levels 521-540 didn’t seem to be nearly as hard as some of the worst offenders in 501-520, so maybe they adjusted those based on our feedback from the first 20? That’s just my own experience – there were no “brick walls” where I was stuck for a long while like I was on 503, 506, 513, and 520. Some genuinely challenging and even mildly frustrating levels, but none seemed ridiculously hard. Maybe I’ve just gotten the hang of Gravity Grove.

Speak for yourself, Mr. Martin. I am having a bear of a time with these new levels. I am not even bothering with the daily challenge. Using my lives to work on getting through these levels. But then I have dealt with this before when I get stuck on a level for a few days until one day I just breeze through it, then the next few fall like dominoes until I get to another level where I get stuck for a few days.

Not complaining, though (BB or micro immortal pigs do get frustrating). It makes it all the more satisfying when I finally crack the level. And with the levels, when beat, they stay beat, unlike the daily challenge where I can use up all my lives and get nothing out of it.

Mr. Bankler, any word on maybe changing the timer of the daily challenge? I can sneak in a few rounds of the arena during my work day but can’t spend the time trying to beat the daily challenge, which I do play when I have cleared all the levels. I would play it in the evening once I clear the regular levels. Love the rewards when I get through it. But by the time I get home it has already expired or very close to it. The timer should only start when the daily challenge is opened, or when it gets to eight hours of it expiring. Thanks for paying attention to the comments.

I did some experiments with the daily challenge time thing, Mr. Martin. I am in the Central Daylight Savings time zone and the daily challenge, along with the ability to earn gems by playing the arena, popping pigs and collecting some stars, begins at 5AM for me. I opened the game right after that and looked at the DC, timer started. Then I just opened the game and played the arena, but didn’t open the DC, timer started. I left the game closed until later in the morning and the timer didn’t start until I actually opened the game. Next test will be to see if leaving the game open will start the timer even if I don’t look at the game (iPhone, exiting the program doesn’t actually close it). It should expire and a new one start at the usual time since it is a daily challenge, imo.

I am glad they put it in. I enjoy the game and have fun with it even though it does get frustrating and I spend way too much time playing it. I have reached those levels. I am currently stuck on 526. What I haven’t managed is to get these high level birds. All mine are at level five, but I am close to getting some to level six.

The arena keeps matching me up with people that have all level six, some level seven, and five spells. This forum taught me one valuable lesson, refuse the battle, exit and close the program, wait a few minutes and try again. I almost always win if I get a person with all level five birds, and I make a person with several level six birds work for it.

So many people complain, but I have way too much fun. I am an old man and this is the most fun I have had with a game since MechWarrior 3 and 4. I was about 35 when those came out, so I am showing my age. ;)